June 15, 2010
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The Lamb’s Supper
Anyone who knows me (and probably those who look at my profile pic!) knows or can at least guess that I absolutely love my Catholic faith. The source and summit of this faith is Jesus Christ, especially as He deigns to come to all mankind (even me!) in the Eucharist. My primary encounter with the Eucharistic Christ, then, always will be the Mass. What I hope to do in this post and the next (and possibly a third) is to share some of my thoughts and reflections on the Mass, sort of my own non-musical version of a “few of my favorite things.” For the sake of simplicity I will be referring mainly to the ordinary Sunday Mass, though I may on occasion point out characteristics of other liturgies.
1. “The Announcement”
The Catholic person who attends Mass regularly, at least those most familiar with the Roman Rite, probably will be nodding their head with almost everything I point out. While my name for things may not always coincide with their name for it, they will know we are on the same page. The Announcement, I call it, is innocent enough and varies from parish to parish, and sometimes does not occur at all and things start at #2. The Processional Hymn.
The Announcement happens when a member of the parish, sometimes the cantor but almost always a very sweet lady, welcomes the people to such-and-such parish, usually announces the particular feast day or the whatever Sunday of Ordinary Time, and may even remind people to turn off or silence cell phones, watch alarms and pagers. The hymn is often announced at this time as well.
Really, though, the only reason I even bother mentioning The Announcement is because even this tiny little experience of the Mass can be a crucial one. For instance my mother, at the very wise age of 12 (or thereabouts), attended Mass with her Catholic friend (my mother was raised Southern Baptist). My little mother, though she would indeed grow to raise quite a bit of hell, remembers her experience of being Baptist as quite sad, and even at so young an age she was convinced that hell was her final destination, and no amount of going to church ever changed that.
So there she was with her friend, standing in the pew as some lady announced, “Welcome to the celebration of the Mass!” “Celebration?” my young mother thought. Sure enough, there was a celebration, with candles and music, with reading from the Bible and sung psalms, with a loving message, with a beautiful communion service…everything she longed for in her own church. When she got home however, my grandparents quickly dashed her hopes of becoming Catholic! Fortunately she married one later, after a certain blogger (me!) came along. It is so strange to think of my mother back then, longing to celebrate her faith in Christ and looking to her own church for that but finding only fear and condemnation, then coming to the Catholic Church with its ancient traditions, its touch of solemnity and all else and realizing that these strange folk she’d been warned about were celebrating the life, death and resurrection of Jesus not just every Sunday, but every single day of the week! Now her whole week is spent waiting for Sunday to celebrate the gift of Christ to the world, to her, and to receive Him personally in the Eucharist, to unite herself to the Lord she loves. So even this technical little step is super important!
2. “The Processional Hymn”
When I think of the beginning of the Mass, that short moment of silence when the Announcer is silent and before the organ/piano/choir begins, after everyone has stood up, I can smell the burning scent of charcoal and the faint traces of incense already being carried on the breeze. Children’s eyes are darting everywhere, trying to figure out what is about to happen. Sunlight streams in through stained glass. I imagine God’s first words in Genesis, “Let there be light!” And just as the angel’s surely sang and rejoiced in that first light, so the whole church erupts in song. Soon comes the thurifer, usually a young man swinging the thurible full of incense (though not every parish uses incense). I love the smell of incense, and it is wonderful to imagine the ancient days of the Temple in Jerusalem, when incense was offered to God daily and to connect the Temple of God of those days with the Living Temple of God today.
Then comes the man or woman bearing the Processional Cross, a crucifix of some kind, reminding us all that we are here first and foremost because of His sacrifice, and we are all called to follow Him to that Cross. Our attention and our hearts are led by the Cross to the sanctuary (the front where the altar is) as the Procession continues. Sometimes the cross bearer is led, flanked, and/or followed by people bearing candles, and I think of how Christ is our light.
Next often comes a man or woman bearing the Book of the Gospels from which the Gospel reading will come. I think of John 1:1- “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” You can almost imagine the creation of the world: the haze of the formless waste in the smoke of the incense and the sweet promise borne upon the wind, the light of the candles being like the first light of creation, and the Book of the Gospels reminding us of that Living Word there present at the beginning of time.
Then come any other altar servers, deacons, priests, and finally the celebrant/presider (usually the pastor of the parish, a visitor, or a bishop), all of them in their various liturgical garb, colors and designs depending upon the season: purple for Advent and Lent (and a different shade for each), rose for Gaudete and Latare Sundays during the aforementioned seasons, white for the highest celebrations (Easter!!!!!) and some saints/events (Transfiguration, Mary, St. Joseph, etc.), green for Ordinary Time (though the Mass is HARDLY ordinary!), and red for martyrs or certain “sad” occasions, such as Good Friday. Altar servers often wear a black cassock (a robe-like outfit) with a surplice (a white thing that looks like the top half of a robe).
The Procession enters the sanctuary, reverences the altar with a bow, and assumes their places, again depending on their liturgical role. The celebrant usually incenses the altar, blessing it and preparing it for the sacrifice that will come later. Once the hymn is completed, there is another period of anticipatory silence.
3. “Context”
The Catholic Mass, as also with most devotions and prayers in the Church, always always always begin the same: “In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.” This is SO important, for what is about to take place cannot be done in any other name! Then the celebrant says, “The Lord be with you,” to which the congregation replies, “And also with you.” There sometimes follows a short message about the day’s feast, the readings, or some other kind of brief welcome, before an invitation for everyone present to reflect on their sins.
4. “The Penitential Rite”
A let down after so lovely a start? Not so! I am always reminded of the advice of St. Paul in 1 Cor. 11:27-28- “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup.” Here the Church offers us all a chance to follow the teaching of the Apostle and consider our sins. Then we follow the advice of yet another Apostle, James, who says in his letter (5:16)- “Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed,” when we say aloud:
“I confess to almighty God,
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have sinned through my own fault,
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done,
and in what I have failed to do;
and I ask blessed Mary, ever virgin,
all the angels and saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord, our God.”The celebrant says, “May almighty God have mercy on us, forgive us our sins, and bring us to everlasting life,” to which the people reply, “Amen!” Oftentimes there will be a spoken or sung call-and-response of “Lord, have mercy. Christ, have mercy. Lord, have mercy.” If you are super blessed (which you are anyways just being at Mass!) you might even get to speak it or say it in the ancient, ancient Greek, the last remnant of when the whole Mass was in that language: Kyrie eleison. Christe eleison. Kyrie eleison. Some musical arrangements of this part of the Mass are incredibly somber, and sometimes (especially if you’d been particularly sinful, but not so much so that you should have gone to confession before Mass!) you are feeling pretty down on yourself.
5. “Gloria!”
Turn that frown upside down, for Christ forgives you! For Christ gave authority over sin to His Apostles (His first priests!) when He breathed the Holy Spirit upon them and said “Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained. (John 20:23)” Now, what should any soul say after being forgiven of their sins? Why say anything when you can sing:
Glory to God in the highest,
and peace to his people on earth. (Luke 2:14)
Lord God, heavenly King, almighty God and Father,
we worship you, we give you thanks, we praise you for your glory.
Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father,
Lord God, Lamb of God,
you take away the sin of the world: have mercy on us;
you are seated at the right hand of the Father: receive our prayer.
For you alone are the Holy One, you alone are the Lord,
You alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ,
with the Holy Spirit, in the glory of God the Father. Amen.Not only is the Gloria just a wonderful, exultant song of praise, but especially with the opening line we are reminded by the very words of the angels that our God, for the forgiveness of our sins, deigned to descend from heaven and “emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness; and found human in appearance, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross. (Philippians 2:7-8)” We have come out of the Old Testament desert of sin and sorrow and receive our first glimpse of God’s promise fulfilled!
6. “Let us pray”
After this beautiful and very ancient hymn there is another brief silence before the celebrant invites everyone to prayer. He then offers the particular prayer for that day, and each day of the year is different, often incorporating some theme relating to the feast/occasion/Gospel for the day. After an “amen” from the people, everyone is seated.
7. “The Liturgy of the Word”
Then is proclaimed the First Reading, most often from the Old Testament, though during the Easter Season it is taken from the Acts of the Apostles. Notice I used the word “proclaimed” and not “recited,” “read,” “reenacted” or otherwise related. The way I understand it, Jesus Christ is the Living Word of God; He is not the letters on a page, He is not a wrote recitation of said text, nor is He something to be memorized and repeated to an audience. Rather, and this can be tricky for many lectors, one must lend their powers of speech to the purpose of God, permitting the Living Word to become incarnate in your very body. You become not merely a messenger, but more like an instrument upon which the Song of Salvation is played. So the book with the readings is always present; one never memorizes the reading (you are not offering YOUR word, but the Word of God which is for everyone!). This is what proclamation is for me, just like in ancient days when a man went out into the center of town with a scroll containing the words of the king, crying out in a large voice what are not his own words, but the very word of the ruler, with all the power and authority of that man as though he were there proclaiming his will in person.
Thus not only should one proclaim and do so as humbly as possible, but “whoever has ears to hear ought to hear! (Mark 4:9)” I also love how the First Reading always takes us back to our ancestry, to the first workings of God as He lay the foundation for our salvation.
At the end of the reading the lector says, “The Word of the Lord,” after which the people say, “Thanks be to God!”
8. “The Psalm”
Next is the psalm, which is always sung antiphonally. The cantor intones the antiphon, usually a line or an adaptation of a line from the psalm itself, and then invites the congregation to repeat it. Then the cantor sings a verse, everyone sings the antiphon, and this continues until the psalm ends. We thus join in the tradition of King David, the author of the psalms, who constantly sang to God.
9. “Second Reading”
This reading always comes from one of the Epistles of the New Testament, teaching us, encouraging us and helping us to put our faith into practice. Here we are taught by the very Apostles who were taught by Jesus Christ, the same teaching preserved by the Church and taught to her people to this day. The same “The Word of the Lord/Thanks be to God” is offered here.
10. “ALLELUIA!”
Then there is a great alleluia sung by the cantor, which is repeated by the congregation as they . During this time the celebrant or a deacon/concelebrant (whoever is about to read the Gospel) picks up the Book of the Gospels from the altar, and sometimes two altar servers bearing candles will flank him and stand on either side while he reads. If incense was used in the procession, it will often be used again to bless the book. This alleluia is a cry of joy, for the Word of God is among us, to teach us and nourish us. For myself (and I imagine for many Catholics) part of this joy comes too from knowing that He will feed us not only by His Word…
11. “The Gospel”
“The Lord be with you,” says the reader. “And also with you,” the people say. “A reading from the Gospel according to (one of the four),” the reader continues, making a large cross with his thumb upon the page and then upon his own forehead (that he may understand the Word), his lips (that he may speak it) and over his heart (that he may love it and live it). The congregation does the same while saying, “Glory to you, O Lord.” Then the Gospel is proclaimed, followed by, “The Gospel of the Lord,” after which the people say, “Praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ.”
This reminds me again of the importance of proclamation as opposed to mere reading or recitation, for when a person proclaims the Gospel it is merely His instrument; we do not hear the man, but Jesus Christ through the man. Thus when we honor Christ with “Praise to you…” we needn’t worry about that praise going to the reader!
So here we are! We’ve assembled to praise and worship God and to honor His Son, we do so in His name, we offer our sins and confess our sinfulness before everyone present, here on earth and in heaven, be glorify God for His mercy, and then we sit while our Beloved Rabboni teaches us from the Scripture, both Old and New Testament. If you go to Mass every Sunday and weekday for three years, I think you will have proclaimed to you between 70-80% of the entire Bible. This is NO EXCUSE not to study and read it on your own, however!!!!!
Anyways, my final reflection before I wrap up my post is this: The Liturgy of the Word precedes the Liturgy of the Eucharist, and when I look at the Mass as a whole I see reflected there the overall reality of our salvation. Just as John says in chapter 1 of his Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word…and the Word became flesh.” In the first part of the Mass, the part I have blogged about just now, we have Christ as the Word of God, the Great Promise. In the next part of the Mass that Word becomes Flesh and comes to dwell among us. That is one reason why the Eucharist is so important and central to the Mass and Catholic life; what is the Old Testament anyways if there was no Incarnation? Likewise, why proclaim the Word of God and remind us of His promise if we do not live to see it? The Mass is the combined experience of the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation (as we’ll see next time I hope!).
And as far as charges of the Mass not being biblical, look at all the Bible we’ve covered already! God bless you all and please feel free to ask questions or offer your own reflections!
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The service in the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada to which I belong is very much the same. And soon, God willing, thanks to Pope Benedict’s Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus of last November 9th, I will soon be able to share the Communion cup with my Roman Catholic brothers and sisters.
i liked this..it gave me more insight into the Catholic church and faith..I attended a Catholic funeral before..but never a Mass..
very interesting.. good post!
I love the mass. And the incense…my favorite thing to see is when a casket is incensed, and I think of our prayers for the dead being lifted to heaven. It is the most beautiful part of a funeral rite. I just may have to post a link to this for all of my non-Catholic friends. On to the Eucharistic feast!
@DraculVanHelsing -
Wait…are you telling me that you are one of my Anglican cousins, so long separated from me, invited home, and are accepting the invitation? You mean one of you, whom I have been praying for since October and have rejoiced in so much when I would read headlines regarding Anglicans all over the world accepting the invitation to communion…you are one of these?
I am SO honored and humbled! Praise God! PRAISE GOD! Oh my brother! I cannot WAIT until that day! This is like discovering a family member I never knew I had all these years! God is so good to me, so good! You are such a tremendous gift to the Church and to Christianity throughout the whole world!
Why did I have to read this comment right before going to bed?!?! This is SO EXCITING! What a small world that I would bump into one of these dear ones here on my blog? Oh praise God! Glory in the highest!
OK, I have a question, Br. Jacob. I have read in some places where people have said girls should not be altar servers, though it is not forbidden by Canon Law. What is your opinion on that?
I was never an altar server, I have been a reader a few times when I was in high school and once at my college. I’m pretty shy in public, so it’s not something I would volunteer to do again soon :-/
@Megan@revelife - it’s not forbidden… it’s really up to the parish or pastor of that parish to make that call. i’ve heard that altar serving is more for those who are discerning priesthood as their vocation, as it will aquaint them well with liturgy… however, many parishes and diocese allow female altar servers, especially if there is a need for it. it is more traditional to have male servers. i attended latin mass on Maundi Thursday… all… i want to say 16 or so of the servers were male.
@Ancient_Scribe -
Yes, I’m one of your long lost Anglican cousins returning home. And I truly feel that I am indeed returning home. Following in the footsteps of John Henry Newman.
I really enjoyed this post Jacob! It reminded me of my short stent of going to the Catholic church. When you talk about how your religion “forgives” it reminded me of how close we really are to Christ’s teachings this week. The outstanding numbers recommending Peace. Jesus would be so proud! I guess what I like most about the Catholics, for one, it’s a romantic religion, but I love Catholic weddings. They are just so beautiful. New beginnings in a Cathedral.
I want to thank you for the prayers too. Other than having an allergic reaction to a new medication, my levels are dropping finally and I will eventually be alright. I feel better all ready since I had a few days off of work and some inspiration from my closest friends. Thank you!
What an incredibly beautiful and accurate description! This is virtually identical to our traditional Lutheran liturgy for a communion service, which of course is based on the Catholic Mass – our heritage. I still think it is beautiful and really miss it when we do a more informal, contemporary version in the church I now attend. I especially love the Kyrie, Gloria, Agnus Dei, Great Thanksgiving – I love all the sung and chanted liturgy. Also love the Alleluia before the Gospel reading. So many people think the “old fashioned” liturgy becomes rote and meaningless, but I think it helps us focus and that patterns and familiarity are good – and it’s just gorgeous. It feels like home.
@Megan@revelife -
When I was a kid girls weren’t allowed to be alter servers and my local parishes didn’t start having girl servers until I was just about out of high school. How I wished I could have done it, even though I’d have been so terrified of messing up!
A beautiful entry which of course I will rec. I was always baffled at the criticisms of the liturgy not being biblical somehow, I don’t see how you can get MORE biblical than the liturgy.
@squeakysoul -
@Megan@revelife - Most of the alter servers at my church are women and/or young ladies. The ratio is about 5:1, female:male.
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace -
One thing I notice time and time again at parishes all over the place is the abundance of women helping out with liturgical functions, especially as lectors, cantors and extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion. I don’t really know why this is and where all the men have disappeared to, but I think part of the reason may lie in the mystery of Christ’s passion, when it was the men that all ran away from the Garden, and it was the women who followed Him all the way to the Cross.
So thank you, Women of the Church, for serving Christ!!!!!!!! (And Men, too, of course!)
@musicmom60 -
I’m glad you are liking it so far! Hopefully you’ll like the next portion (hopefully I’ll be able to post it next week!) when I write about the Liturgy of the Eucharist, though I’m afraid our two traditions may part ways considerably there!
I’m glad you are thankful for your Catholic heritage; hopefully there will be a reunion some day!
@hesacontradiction -
Isn’t God just awesome? I’m so glad that you are finding some healing! And I didn’t know you had attended a Catholic Church for a time; what changed your mind?
@Megan@revelife -
Like our brother rusty said, it really is up to the pastor of the parish. Growing up there were a couple of girls who served at the altar, and here at St. Louis University it is mostly young women who serve at the altar, plus a Jesuit scholastic or two. So if it is something you would like to do, just ask your parish priest! And IF you screw up, my goodness, you will be up to your NECK in Christ’s love and forgiveness!
Wonderful post! Although I’m not Roman Catholic, I am a catholic Christian. The Mass and its liturgy always helps to shape my thinking. I may come to church feeling dejected or forgotten, but then, as we walk through the liturgy and the gospel story is portrayed before my very eyes through sign and sacrament, I am reminded that I am loved by God Himself that much! I am always different after the Mass. Always.
My cousin’s wife was Catholic and when I was pregnant with my oldest, she and I would go to church every Sunday until I had the baby, then I moved back home. I’ll always cherish the memories of going to church with her.
This Pope is trying to return the liturgy to its solemn character. and we should be assisting him in his call to do that.
@mortimerZilch - Priests are usually sticklers for doing the rite thing. The Bishop was here a few weeks ago and there were female servers. And both spiecies, bread and wine are to be given at Communion. I thought that controversy had been settled.
@mortimerZilch -
I was just sharing my thoughts and reflections on the different parts of the Mass, as I noted at the very beginning of my post! I’m sorry if some of my thoughts upset you, but I certainly am not trying to teach against the faith. As far as I am aware, I haven’t said anything contrary to the Catholic faith or the teachings of the Church, but if I have please please promise to tell me so that I can correct any errors!
Regarding your comments about receiving the cup, female altar servers and Communion in the hand, you might find these helpful:
http://www.nccbuscc.org/liturgy/current/norms.shtml (starting at #17)
-to my understanding of these guidelines, the local bishop may give a parish leave to offer the Eucharist under both species, provided that ministers receive proper training and such.
http://www.usccb.org/liturgy/current/servers.shtml
-women/girls are totally allowed to serve at the altar, though they cannot be instituted as acolytes.
http://usccb.org/liturgy/girm/bul5.shtml
-Specifically: “Those who receive Communion may receive either in the hand or on the tongue, and the decision should be that of the individual receiving, not of the person distributing Communion. If Communion is received in the hand, the hands should first of all be clean. If one is right handed the left hand should rest upon the right. The host will then be laid in the palm of the left hand and then taken by the right hand to the mouth. If one is left-handed this is reversed. It is not appropriate to reach out with the fingers and take the host from the person distributing.”
Granted, reception in the hand is a fairly American thing, and I don’t know how it started, but it is a custom of the Church in America and while there are some Catholics that have some thoughts and feelings against it, the Church permits it.
I can’t remember, are you Catholic yourself? Sorry that I’ve forgotten; I’ve been meeting so many Catholics on Xanga that I can’t remember who is and who isn’t!
I appreciate the passion behind your comments (at least I am reading it as passion!) for the Eucharist, for its proper reverence and its safety. My greatest fear is that someone will steal my most vulnerable Lord and do who-knows-what to Him!
Regarding your comment about Pope Benedict XVI and his liturgical efforts: yes, he’s totally trying to help foster a deeper sense of reverence and solemnity to the Mass. I think so many people have forgotten what is really happening at the altar (hence one reason behind my post), that we are actually participating in the Last Supper, the Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ; we are THERE! We should not be lackadaisical, sarcastic or lah-tee-dah about it whatsoever! But I definitely don’t see him seeking to limit reception of the Eucharist by the laity to only one species, to ban women from the sanctuary, or limit Communion to reception on the tongue only.
Thanks for your comments!
@Ancient_Scribe -
@Megan@revelife -
I wanted to give the Church’s answer on the issue! My opinion is that women should be permitted to serve at the altar as the Church permits. I think they are limited by being installed as acolytes because the ministry of acolyte is traditionally associated with the path to ordained priesthood. I don’t understand why there is an issue about female altar servers; it doesn’t bother me! Really, though, it is probably up to the pastor of the parish.
@LoBornlytesThoughtPalace -
Every time I see your comments I think something along the lines of “This sister of mine is a lioness for the Lord!” God love you for it!
I am happy to see your comments on xanga !
the sources you cited – all UCCB – are all in variance with the expressed wishes of Rome, but are strongly defended by the US bishops. This points to a general problem with Bishops’ Conferences…these conferences are a convention born out of convenience and not inherent in the structure of the Church. In other words, the decisions of the Bishops’ Conference are not to be understood as bearing canonical force, such as an individual bishops’s decision.
http://www.catholictv.com has been doing exposes on how the UCCB have been funding through its social service funding groups that promote abortion, gay marriage, female priests. and we are talking LOTS OF MONEY. it’s a big scandal.
so what I am saying is that these regulations are particularly American, and reflect not so much the principle of subsidiarity as a contraposition to the authority of Rome.
there is no controversy in the United States Catholic Church. ever hear of that Church?
@mortimerZilch - …these regulations are particularly American, and reflect not so much the principle of subsidiarity as a contraposition to the authority of Rome.
Very well put!
@Megan@revelife - I have just published an entry concerning female altar servers, if you are interested to see a few of the arguments against it.
God keep you both.
These are some interesting insights! What a good thing to have so many allusions to Sacred Scripture on your mind throughout the Mass. Do they really use incense at every Mass where you worship? I envy that; even at my local Mass in the Extraordinary Form, there is scarcely incense, and I find that to be a real shame.
I get incensed every time the choir usurps the laity’s responses with a song nobody can sing….is that the kind of incense you mean?
I get incensed every time the deacon preaches extemporaneously and tells stupid stories rather than explaining the Catholic religion…is that the kind of incense?
I get incensed every time I go to a church to find another gay cabal running the show. Maybe that’s it?
I read and commented on MUSICISLIFE446′s article on female altar servers. Now that is scholarship! thanks.
I recommend it. particularly to those viewing, and writing, this blog.
@mortimerZilch - I know if this 90-year-old Jesuit priest whom you’d love. We were talking about liturgical abuses, and he said, “See, some of these priests just don’t have respect for the Mass! Makes me want to go up there and…” Oh! He’s such a dear, old priest.
Having thought a lot about ritual in general and how some people assert that it has no meaning, I think I can safely say that it isn’t the ritual that should be done away with, but rather our understanding of ritual should be enhanced. None of the parts of the Mass is in there arbitrarily; the entire story of our salvation is celebrated every single time. That’s not to be taken lightly!
@musicislife446 -
Can’t go wrong pointing out how Scripture supports Tradition, especially since Scripture is part of Tradition in the first place! Daily Mass is done here in our community chapel (no incense, lest we set off the smoke alarms in the house!!!), but on Sundays and major feasts and solemnities I go to the Cathedral Basilica (http://cathedralstl.org/intro/). They don’t use incense at daily Mass either, but for Sundays and all the other times I normally go. It is always Novus Ordo in English, but they are always reverent, clear that the homily isn’t a time for comedy, that the main reason we are all there is to worship God and receive Christ in the Eucharist…it is just so refreshing to go to a place where Christ is treated as the King He truly Is!
Also here in St. Louis the Institute of Christ the King has a parish in a BEAUTIFUL old Church where they celebrate the Tridentine Mass almost exclusively. You’d just love it. If you are ever in town for some bewildering reason, do let me know and I’ll take you to both!
@mortimerZilch -
I am very intrigued by your points regarding the conflict between the norms put forward by the USCCB and the wishes of Rome; could you point me to some resources? I want to read them! But the way I understand things (and by no means do I have perfect understanding; I still have so much to learn!), if Rome really had a problem with receiving on the hand, offering the cup at every Mass, or female servers at the altar, it would express that very clearly and in a way the US bishops cannot ignore. But until that happens (or at least until I learn otherwise; I’m open to either!), the US bishops are yet the successors of the Apostles and I must obey them!
Regarding your comment on the United States Catholic Church: are you referring to the Catholic Church here in the US being a separate entity from the Roman Catholic Church, or some group that goes by that name? I found this on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Catholic_Church_in_the_United_States in an initial research effort, and would say that there is no such controversy probably because they do not answer to Rome!
@mortimerZilch -
Point-by-point:
1. Goodness yes! Music ministry is so delicate, and even the best choir and the director with the best of intentions must make sure they aren’t choosing music that only experienced musician-grade congregants can sing! (Did I just make up a word, congregants?)
2. I would be incensed at that also, but I’ve been spared such an experience! I agree that most homilies could stand to be a bit more catechetical; Lord knows we all need it!
3. While I can definitely understand your frustration here, let’s do remember to be a little charitable…
much has to do with finding information sources that are diverse.
do you have any sources that are not the liberal social-justice soft-on-contraception pro-Obama leftist-Democrat typical Jesuit?
I went to Jesuit college, and was a brother in a religious community, later going for a master’s degree in theology at an Archdiocesan seminary (newark, nj).
Of course, you have to be a little careful as you are not fully ordained yet.
But Jesuits (used to be) known for their free thinking – which understood correctly means “really finding out MORE about the mysteries of revelation” – but which too often today means “coming up with new interpretations” about the texts of revelation or church law.
So you might really want to identify the different strands of Catholicism…which publications identify themselves positively with the Roman Catholic tradition, and those that reflect “the American Church” – like “America” magazine, who former editor in charge Msgr. Reese used to teach theology at my alma mater, Spring Hill.
The American church has verged toward schism more than once in the last 30 years.
@Ancient_Scribe -
Catholic TV.com is putting out some pretty fair stuff online these days. (not that I am totally SOLD on them)
LifeSiteNews.com also is covering the spending of money by UCCB on pro-abortion pro-gay groups.
I love the Mass.
I start college next week and I am taking the most fabulous Religious Ethics class. Our required reading includes Veritatis Splendor, Deus Caritas Est, an article called “Catholic Bishops on the Death Penalty,” and paragraphs 30-55 and 80-122 of The Challenge of Peace by the US Catholic Bishops Conference.
I just got my syllabus today and I kept seeing little things that made me think of you.
@walkintotheseaaa -
Wonderful! If you ever end up needing any help or just want to talk about things you are learning, let me know! I hope you are well, and don’t forget Who loves you!
@mortimerZilch - Regarding receiving the Eucharist in the hand or on the tongue– I read a book by the pope (then Cardinal Ratzinger) regarding the Eucharist, and according to him, receiving on the tongue *only* did not become common until the 1200s. Since then, receiving on the tongue has been the accepted norm until Vatican II, which some interpreted strangely, leading many American bishops to say that receiving in the hand was okay. It became so widespread that I have heard that Rome simply gave a dispensation to American Catholics to keep doing so, but whether that’s really what Rome wants, I don’t know. In Cardinal Ratzinger’s book on the Eucharist, though, he did mention one common reason for not receiving in the hand was because of the sin enacted by human hands, but he also pointed out that we sin just as much, if not moreso, with our tongues. Either way, Christ has condescended to be touched and consumed by sinful human beings (with proper preparation, of course!). One advantage I can definitely see with insisting upon receiving on the tongue is that the Eucharist is better protected that way; it would be more difficult for someone to not consume the Host and try to steal it. Anyway, random thoughts; I just figured I’d share what I know.
I suddenly miss going to Latin mass, after reading this post….
@tenshii_rage -
I hope you are able to go again soon!
@walkintotheseaaa -
Tell us ! which college is that ? must be Ave Maria in Fla. or the one in Steubenville, Oh, what’s its name? amazing that you study that as a freshman ?! wow
what does it matter if the Eucharist was only on the tongue AFTER 1200…I don’t see what application to make of historical arguments like that…Roman priests could marry until 400 something…these historical facts enlighten us to the true value of the present Church laws, and shed some light on the nature of sacraments under discussion, but weigh very little against current church law, other than to indicate what may be discretionary regulations.
I told you about the Evangelical nut who stole the Host, and had it stolen from her by some witch who used it for occult purposes…the priest died of grief, in my opinion. Just yesterday a real schizo at Mass went last, received the Host in his hand, drained the cup. Since he was sitting behind me I turned around to try to determine if he had palmed the host…I couldn’t tell…he may have, but I thought more likely not. But there is also the disease factor. Typhoid Mary spread typhoid in Chicago, and I don’t think sharing the cup should be a general practice for hygienic reasons – although I have no medical studies about communion on the tongue being more sanitary than communion in the hand – it might be less so.
@mortimerZilch -
Florida State University
@walkintotheseaaa -
wow I am blown away! my daughter is your age and entering college…your school is a famous party school…I went to a gulf coast school that was rated as a heavy party school too…and managed to survive a good education…do you have some major in mind?
@mortimerZilch -
We are a rather famous party school. It’s rather sad that the academics of the university aren’t as well broadcast! Both of my parents went to FSU for their bachelor degrees and my dad got his J.D. there too.
I have many ideas. So much I want to do, so little time! If I could do anything, I’d major in choral music ed or vocal performance, but auditions scare me a bit too much. I’m thinking about either double majoring in sociology and political science with a minor in religion or picking just one of those majors and double minoring in the other and religion. I love learning about the global society, past, present, and future. I definitely envision a master’s and/or PhD in the future, too. I’m currently an “exploratory” student, which means I get extra advising and networking opportunities and I get to take lots of classes to “explore” my interests. I’m really excited.
I wish your daughter the best in college! It’s going to be wonderful!
I know I’m behind… I had your site recommended to me by another Xangan. I am trying to learn more about Catholicism, and found your “series” to be very helpful. Thank you!
@Passionflwr86 -
You are more than welcome! Feel free to message me if you ever have questions and want to know more! God bless!