May 2, 2010
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My Thoughts on Priestly Celibacy, pt. 1
Thank you all for your patience; it is a crazy part of the semester! But it has passed for the most part, and I finally have the time I need to answer your questions with the consideration I feel they deserve. I would like to remind everyone that unless I am specifically quoting the Catechism or another source, these are my own personal thoughts (though definitely informed by and hopefully in conformity with the teaching and tradition of the Catholic Church, certainly!), and I hope that they are found to be helpful. Please also understand that while I have been living a vow of chastity for nearly two years (and have not so much as kissed a woman in nearly six), it cannot be reasonably expected of me to know everything about priestly celibacy/chastity, no more than one could expect a married couple by their second anniversary to know everything about marriage and children. I will do my very best to answer your questions and respond to your comments as thoroughly and honestly as I can.
liferemainsbeautiful really asked the first question(s); FoliageDecay and squeakysoul just offered very appreciated support and, in the case of my dear sister, her own brief thoughts on the matter (though she could certainly message me her concerns/questions regarding women and the priesthood if she wishes).
“Why does the Catholic Church require priests to be celibate at all?”
The Catechism of the Catholic Church says:
“1579: All the ordained ministers of the Latin Church (the most well-known “rite” of the Church), with the exception of permanent deacons, are normally chosen from among men of faith who live a celibate life and who intend to remain celibate “for the sake of the kingdom of heaven” (Mt. 19:12). Called to consecrate themselves with undivided heart to the Lord and to “the affairs of the Lord” (1 Cor. 7:32), they give themselves entirely to God and to [his people]. Celibacy is a sign of this new life to the service of which the Church’s minister is consecrated; accepted with a joyous heart celibacy radiantly proclaims the Reign of God.
1580: In the Eastern Churches a different discipline has been in force for many centuries: while bishops are chosen solely from among celibates, married men can be ordained as deacons and priests. This practice has long been considered legitimate; these priests exercise a fruitful ministry within their communities. Moreover, priestly celibacy is held in great honor in the Eastern Churches and many priests have freely chosen it for the sake of the Kingdom of God. In the East as in the West a man who has already received the sacrament of Holy Orders (ordination) can no longer marry.”
This is the official, brief explanation of the Church, which I think does a good job of condensing the most important aspects. Priestly celibacy is biblical (despite many claims to the contrary) and while there were married apostles and priests in the early Church and even into the Middle Ages, priestly celibacy is a tradition and practice with roots as ancient as Christianity itself, and it seems there came a point when the Church realized it was the best way of proceeding regarding the exercise of priesthood and eventually made it a requirement. As BigToePeople and Umnenga pointed out, as well as St. Paul in 1 Corinthians, the unmarried priest is able to devote not merely his 9am-5pm to his flock, but his 24/7, just as Christ devotes himself. The unmarried priest is also ready to be missioned anywhere at anytime, without having to leave his wife and children for extended periods, miss out on important events in their lives, or move around from place to place and constantly uprooting them. Also there are some missions that are dangerous to a priest’s life; could you imagine being a married priest in a city where your parish was in a dangerous neighborhood? I have met some priests from Jamaica, for example, who are safe only because one of the powerful gangs in the area happen to be mostly Catholic, and they protect the parish and the rectory, as well as the priest, from other gangs.
When I was in my own discernment, one thought that occurred to me is that because I believe both marriage and priesthood are full-time commitments, I could not do both. I could either be a really great priest and a terrible husband/father, or a really terrible priest and a great husband/father, or just be “ok” at both. None of these are acceptable to me, and because I love God first before myself, and because I felt so strongly that God was asking me to give my whole life to him as a priest, I decided that I would take up my cross and follow him.
Ultimately, and at least this is the case with the religious vow of chastity, the priest seeks to model his own life after that of Christ, and for reasons perhaps Christ alone fully understands, he was not himself married. To expect a priest to divide his heart and time between serving the Church and serving his family is entirely unfair; could you imagine if your wife was in labor and at the same moment one of your parishioners was on their death bed needing Last Rites? How does a man like that choose?
“I would think that having a family would make the priest a better spouse of the Church and of Christ, a better father for the whole congregation, essentially eliminate the roots leading to “child molester” issues…and level the priest’s minds down to earth to prevent them from becoming prideful in their given position.”
I do not offer this as a bash against marriage (heavens, never!), but there is a great deal of well-researched data that reveals the vast majority (I’ve seen figures in the eighty-percentile range) of sexual abuse against minors is committed by married people, and often times by family members. So, actually, married clergy in the Latin Rite (because the diocesan priesthood within the Latin rite is very different in its execution than the execution of the priesthood in the Eastern rites that permit married clergy) may actually magnify the problem in the long run.
Regarding pride, though, I don’t think marriage would combat that in the slightest; think of all the CEOs, national leaders, politicians, etc. who are married!
Moving on to emilita213′s question: “When a priest/church official is found to be guilty of molestation/harassment/etc., why can’t they simply be de-frocked as a priest?”
Because when it comes to the sacrament of Holy Orders, it isn’t so simple! Like baptism, a deacon/priest/bishop’s ordination can’t be undone since he is “a priest forever, like Melchizedech of old”; rather, because of a priest’s promise of obedience and the authority of the Church, someone is laicized (made a lay-person, sort of) and ordered not to exercise their priesthood any more. They are no longer permitted to minster the sacraments or engage in public ministry, things like that. Depending also upon the magnitude of the crime, the man might be sent to live in a secure community/house (not a jail or anything) where he is closely monitored and limited in his ability to travel and leave the premises, lest he commit a similar crime again. Some men, again depending upon the severity of the crime, are indeed sent to prison. But to remove a priest from his ministry is a very serious matter and is not something done at the drop of a hat or for every mistake a priest makes. Should priests found guilty of serious abuse be laicized? I think the most serious cases should certainly.
As phantomFive pointed out, the current issue isn’t so much that children were being abused, but that the Church appeared to be hiding it. To this I can only offer three thoughts:
1) Be very, very wary of the mainstream media when it reports on the Catholic Church; they have a historical anti-Catholic bias that can be very subtle. For some very good breakdown and reflection upon a lot of the big stories regarding the recent media coverage of the scandals, see the relevant entries at http://arnobius-of-sicca.xanga.com/archives/2010/32) I have noticed that most of the abuse allegations are from the late-50s to mid-80s, and while I am no psychology expert, I imagine that things like pedophilia and such were not really understood by anyone and, in many popular modes of thinking during the 60s and 70s, it may even have been seen as OK (goodness, the crazy things that were deemed so then…and today, really…). Without a good understanding of the mental illness-aspects of pedophilia and similar behaviors, I imagine that the Church rather saw it in the classic light of temptation and sin. For example, it is only in fairly recent times that alcoholism has been recognized as a disease. In the past, people thought it was merely a matter of temptation, that some people were especially tempted by alcohol and often fell to that temptation and drank themselves silly. The thinking was that if you just keep that person away from alcohol (the source of their temptation), they wouldn’t have a problem. Time and time again, however, you’d see the former drinker doing whatever they could to sneak some alcohol into their life, going to ridiculous and sometimes dangerous lengths to satisfy the craving they could not help.
Again I am not an expert, but I imagine that many officials in the Church at the time saw the abuse problem in a similar light. They receive a report that Fr. So-and-So abused a child, so they believe that the priest experienced some kind of temptation regarding the child (never, ever to blame the child of course) and, being a sinner, fell into sin. The solution is to remove the priest from the occasion of sin, from the source of temptation, and everything will be fine. The connection was not made that Fr. So-and-So isn’t just tempted by that particular child, but by a certain kind of child in general. I also imagine that as more research was done into the nature of these kinds of disorders, officials began to realize that moving the troubled priest away from the perceived source was not enough and began to isolate them more by placing them in secure locations where they could be closely monitored. By this time, likely unknown by officials, the man may have harmed more than just the two or three the diocese was made known about.That is one of the great tragedies of abuse like this, is that it invokes so much shame in the victim, especially when the perpetrator is a man whose role in society commands so much respect, that the crime is buried in silence for decades before it is brought to light. Were it not so and a crime were brought to light immediately after it happened, I am sure that officials, realizing that the problem wasn’t going away, would have canned such dangerous men far more quickly. Again, I do not blame the victims for their silence, but I also do not have the sense that the Church as a whole or church officials and bishops in as many numbers as the press would have us believe were engaged in some sort of massive cover-up, and to accuse the Pope of such a thing is beyond preposterous without hard evidence.
Could some bishops and church officials have been engaged in such a thing? I suppose it is possible, and I can imagine a few bishops being so afraid of the possible legal and Church repercussions regarding his priest’s actions that he would try and sweep it under the carpet. But I think these cases were few and far between and that the whole issue is far more complicated than any media source would take the time and energy to report.
Again these are my thoughts; they are not official Church answers for these questions. Since there were many questions that take a long time (and text!) to offer thoughts on, I will try and offer more in several days. Otherwise you would have to dedicate a great deal of time to reading it all!
Please feel free to ask more questions if you wish, and don’t be shy of asking questions that might be personal. While I wouldn’t necessarily answer every question you asked about myself (a question like you might find asked on Mancouch or Datingish, for example…), I am willing to answer most of those “if I could ask a celibate person any question, I’d ask…” kinds of questions. God bless, and keep praying for Christ’s Church! It is wonderful that the Romans aren’t killing us any more, but the Church is always under siege in some way or another, from within or without or both. But as Fr. Corapi said yesterday, “We’ve read the last chapter of the Book, and we win. Be not afraid!”
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“…I felt so strongly that God was asking me to give my whole life to him as a priest, I decided that I would take up my cross and follow him.” that is the gospel message lived out!
“Because when it comes to the sacrament of Holy Orders, it isn’t so simple! Like baptism, a deacon/priest/bishop’s ordination can’t be undone since he is “a priest forever, like Melchizedech of old” as a side note, dr. scott hahn tells a beautiful, true story about a fallen priest who heard the Pope’s confession. this line reminded me that the Pope told the begger/priest in italian “once a priest, always a priest”
“But as Fr. Corapi said yesterday, ‘We’ve read the last chapter of the Book, and we win. Be not afraid!’” i also like to point out to my protestant friends that matthew 16:18-19, Christ establishes His Church, and that He promises not to let satan destroy Her. i also need to remind my Catholic friends, even a highly respected godly woman in my parish, that very idea.
As I am at work now, I will return to read this post later. But thanks, Jacob, for taking away that picture from your background!
It most certainly makes for easier reading.
I’m sorry, but I have to make a joke before I finish reading this…..you have been celibant for 2 years is like being married for 2 years with kids. No sex whatsoever! I should know. Ok, now that I got that out of my system…I can continue reading in a more serious thought. Again…I apologize! It’s an old married thing.
No offense intended.
I guess the only comment that I have is, I used to be very against the Catholic Church, mainly because of the hypocrisy I saw of popular rich girls who were Catholic, yet performed promiscuities constantly. It was different from the modest Christian churches that are on nearly every block. (not knocking those churches either). I think it depends on how you see the Church. Yes, priests had committed sins and broke the laws as well as ruined lives, but I have known many ministers who break the laws and lie, and known very Christian people to molest their kids and some have used them as child prostitutes. Molestation is a sickness and it’s one that isn’t publicized due to the negative nature it has. Like suicide, no one wants to deal with molestation. It’s just too horrible. Also, you have to wonder if kids are making this stuff up (not saying that they are).
When I was pregnant with my oldest child, I attended the Catholic Church with my cousin, for the duration of the pregnancy. I will admit that it gave me a sense of solitude, even though I watched the girl who did naughty things in the balcony of the auditorium, receive communion. Every priest is different. Jacob has made a huge difference in my life, just by listening and explaining. My view of the Catholic Church is solitude and peace now.
So, even though these priests represent the church, there are still some good guys here, fighting to help us. It’s the good guys that we should remember. I know that I always feel better when someone is in my corner, fighting the world with me.
So, thank you Jacob!
So, since you’ve been celibate for two years, can I ask (although you would not want to answer this in the comments perhaps) – have you ever been with a woman before? I would think in some ways, that being with someone before taking the vow might actually allow you to understand the severity of the vow you’re taking. As in, I’ve experienced it, known my own sin, and now why it is so important.
Don’t answer if too personal. I never want anyone to just “lay it out there” if it’s too much.
@Winsa -
For the long answer, please go all the way back to April 22nd, 2008 on my blog. Beginning there you can read about all my experiences with women, from the first few I fell for (but never dated) to the one girlfriend I ever had (in fact, this may be what you are looking for: http://ancient-scribe.xanga.com/657749477/so-spake-they-uttering-a-sweet-voice-and-my-heart-was-fain-to-listen/), and culminating with my courtship of the beautiful Laura whom I never kissed, only twice held, and had set in my heart for a time to wed. I’ll leave you to read it all, and feel free to ask any questions.
The shorter answer is no, I have never been with a woman in the sense I am thinking you mean. While I would not say that I am spotless when it comes to my sexual innocence, I will say that my one and only girlfriend broke up with me after a year and a half together because I would not have sex with her. So I do not know, nor will ever I likely know, what it is to be with a woman.
Does this mean I don’t understand the severity of the vow I have taken? You may answer your own question after reading my story, but I will offer also that I don’t think it does. I have wanted to be a husband and a father since I was about twelve years old, so I had no illusions how serious this all was. I also don’t think one needs to have experience of a thing to realize the full gravity of what it means to sacrifice it forever. I think also that if I had lost my virginity before entering religious life, that would be one more burden upon a sin-worn heart, the scars of which I struggled enough with as I came more and more to understand my past failures in the light of God’s forgiveness. And what of the woman/women I had been with? It was hard enough to hear the tears of Laura pitter-pattering like rain on the tile floor when I shared with her my growing conviction that I may be called to the priesthood! Could you imagine the rending heart of she who I had shared the then greatest portion of my life with? She would likely feel that I wasn’t so much saying no to sex and marriage forever, but her specifically. I wouldn’t want that on anyone’s heart; I would rather carry my own cross in that case.
As I have journeyed in the vow of chastity, my love and understanding of marriage and sexuality has deepened in ways I have never imagined, and as I share those reflections with married people they come to understand things about their own lives they never considered because they hadn’t the perspective of someone like me with which to see it. There are also many aspects of my life that mirror marriage in many ways (see http://ancient-scribe.xanga.com/674382543/blessed-art-thou-amongst-women/); still I dedicate the whole of my being to a Bride, though she is a mystical one who is truly married to another Bridegroom, and I will still be the father of many children. But all of these things that I have desired for so long will come about, just not in a way that I ever imagined before, and my heart is joyful, even knowing there are some things that I have given up forever. I hope that helps to answer your question; thank you so much for asking! I was actually hoping to get more questions like that!
you are a good man Jacob but shame on you for blaming the media in relationship to either sex abuse of children or the Archbishops who chose to cover it up, if that is your answer of the day of judgement, then God help you. That is putting the blame elsewhere and the onus is on the church to be on its knees in its shame of its stance on this issue.
you can’t brush off such serious issues in the hope that they go away, they will always haunt the church because its like a skeleton in the cupboard and untill the church comes clean and uses the might of the law on its own kind, there will be a dislike of the catholic church stands for, what sort advert is that?
The pope is coming to England but is not really welcome here as he will come to discover, to many abused children by the church have seen to that, and why should they forgive their abusers when the church has done little to really mean the word ‘sorry’ and put the wrongs to rights.
@theramblingman -
Whoa! I’m not blaming the media for this! I was cautioning against trusting the media too much as a source of reliable information regarding the scandals! I know that there will be priests and bishops answering before the Throne for the things that they have done, and I know that my future life in the priesthood is going to be a lot harder because of the actions of some of my preprocessors. I’m not going to try and divert blame from those whose fault it truly is, but I only wanted to point out that since the media is the source of information for so many and since there is such a heavy bias, we have to be careful about what we read and how we read it, that’s all. I’m sorry to have confused you.
As I said you are a good man Jacob and I admire you greatly, it takes guts to do what you have done and the way you have done it. There is no need to be sorry for the confusion, it happens! I am pleased that young men like yourself have chosen to go into the church, that will bring about well needed change which has been needed for such a long time.
i shall always be grateful to you for praying for my friend and shall never forget this kindness to me and shall always hold you in the highest regard!
my donation to a good cause!
@theramblingman -
Haha nice!I’ll put it in the “plate!”
lol and i’m still lol now!
Thank you for posting this very informative and insightful post!
I’ll add my thanks to the group, especially for addressing my question!
Hey, I just wanted to say thanks for your comment on my site. It is hard to be patient sometimes. I just wish sometimes that I could just throw myself down at the altar now and give myself to the Lord but I know I have to trust that this way pleases Jesus more.
But aren’t there things that would get a priest de frocked immediately? Or at least that would have it occur rather expediently? Like giving the wrong teachings or something? If so, why should sexual abuse not be one of those things? Is that not as big of a betrayal as anything involving theology?
@squeakysoul -
Not that I am aware of. I imagine if it was something quite serious, like a priest killed someone, committed an act of terrorism, fathered a child, etc., he would be very quickly laicized, but as far as abuse or erroneous/heretical teachings, it would depend upon the gravity of the act and the priest’s willingness to amend his actions. For example, if a priest is found guilty of one case of child abuse, is punished, and is missioned to serve strictly an adult population (such as a nursing home) under supervision and doesn’t commit another grievous act, there is no need to laicize him. So long as steps are taken to assure that he would not be in danger of repeating past mistakes and so long as he isn’t persistently seeking to commit them again, there is no reason he can’t serve in some way, some where. Likewise in teaching error or heresy, the Church is willing to give the man the chance to amend his life, reform his ways, learn and agree to teach the truth. Luther, for example, was given many such chances. But if they persist in teaching error and heresy so that the Body of believers is jeopardized and division is likely to occur, they are removed from ministry. At least, this is all my understanding; does that answer your question? The Church never wants to react to rashly, dealing out too harshly and too suddenly, lest someone be laicized or otherwise punished wrongly.
The fact is that celibacy for priests was brought in to ensure priests’ families could not inherit land – that it all belonged to the church. It has nothing to do with the Bible. The fact that the man who catholics recognise as the first ‘pope’ – Peter – was married (Jesus healed his mother-in-law) and others of the early apostles. should indicate that Jesus and the early church did not practice this. Paul also tells us later that elders (ie church leaders) should be ‘the husband of one wife’. Of course, God does call some to celibacy for various reasons. But to have written in a general celibacy for th ministry is certainly not what Jesus intended.
@Ancient_Scribe -
This is a laudable tendency of the Church, but sadly the very nature of the offense lends itself to the offender persistently seeking to commit these acts again. Sexual abuse is a crime with a high degree of recidivism. Looks like the Church hasn’t done a very good job of placing these people where they in fact can’t offend again. In my opinion this is a such a major breach of trust and faith perhaps the Church should reconsider the severity with which they treat these people. But I guess that’s a top down decision and ordinary folk and even ordinary priests have no say in the matter.
@kenedwards5 -
It may be that celibacy was established as the norm when land issues and other practical matters began to be problematic, but celibacy was definitely a widely practiced option among the priests and bishops of the early Church; even St. Paul recommended it for those who were called. Celibacy, when lived as it should be, works extremely well (as opposed to when it is lived poorly, as we have seen by the example of a small number of priests recently). I hope my reflections on the matter in pt. 2 of this blog will be helpful for you regarding your thoughts.
@squeakysoul -
The Church has done poorly with this in the past, but the rash of charges about ten years ago in the US raised awareness of the issue and so many things have changed to prevent such inept procedures from being enacted in the future. You wouldn’t believe the process I had to go through to apply to the Jesuits for example, and every priest/religious undergoes a background check whenever they enter into a new ministry; they really put us under the microscope now. The Church is also cracking down on priests who are accused; there was a priest accused recently in Denver who was removed from his parish the next day until the allegations were investigated, just to be safe. There is plenty being done, but during the period of time that the abuse was going on the Church really dropped the ball, and the Church (especially the Pope: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=10610770) is owning up to that fact.
THANK YOU for your passion regarding this issue; you have a lion-heart that I’m sure God will do great things with in His time. We’ll see! Keep praying for the Church; she’s going through a rough time right now, but she’ll pull through as always, stronger and wiser by it.
@Ancient_Scribe - While it is true that some (a very small number, actually) are called to celibacy, it was certainloy not the norm for the leaders of the early church. As I say, St Peter was married himself! It should certainly not be the norm for church leaders today if we believe the Bible. When Paul talked to the Corinthians he was not advocating celibacy for the leadership – why he said, “Each has his own gift.” It’s probable that there were special situations in Corinth at the time which made the unmarried state more practical. However, we certainly don’t base a major doctrine in the church on a passage where it is very unclear what Paul actually meant. That is a cardinal rule of Bible interpretation.
@kenedwards5 -
I think the difficulty that people like you and I will inevitably have regarding this topic is the acceptance/rejection of Church Tradition. For the Church, the Bible is not the sole source of revelation, but rather is part of and a support of Her Tradition. Since the Bible was written and assembled within the living Tradition of the Church, as given by Christ to the Apostles and from them to their successors and so on to the present day, the Bible is not used so much to articulate and justify what the Church does and believes, but rather supports it. The Church existed centuries before the New Testament was assembled, and years before much of it was written, and one certainly cannot claim that everything Jesus did, taught and spoke is record there; St. Luke talks about this at the beginning of his Gospel, mentioning that he was writing down the “narrative of the events that have been fulfilled among us, just as those who were eyewitnesses from the beginning and ministers of the word have handed them down to us. (Luke 1:1-2)”, or St. John’s mention at the very end of his Gospel, “There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.”
One of my history professors, talking about medieval Muslims, said that “The Church believed in God-Become-Man, whereas the Muslims believed in God-Become-Book.” I think this is somewhat insightful to some of the difficulties Catholics and Protestants face when engaging in dialogue. The Church accepts a living Tradition, of which the Bible is a part, a Tradition that is not static, that lives and grows as does a living person. That Christ instituted the Church by choosing men and entrusting to them aspects of His own authority, such as the authority to teach, to lead the Church, to drive out evil spirits, etc., He yet lives and ministers in the world through the Church and His ministers. The Bible, while indeed the Word of God in that these are the words God has spoken or has inspired chosen servants to record, are unchanging and unchangeable, yet as soon as we equate the Word of God (God’s words written down) to Christ, the Living Word of God, I think we run into enormous difficulty, such as we have here in our discussion.
While it is difficult to justify celibate clergy Biblically, it is equally difficult to Biblically prove that it is erroneous. So much of the Church’s teaching, understanding and implementation comes from her Tradition and her teaching authority (the Magisterium of the Church), which interprets Scripture from the perspective of the Tradition of which it is a part. To interpret Scripture, for example, as saying something contrary to what the Church has believed and practiced from even before the Bible was assembled (our Eucharistic theology for instance) would be a mistake. In the case of celibate clergy there isn’t much I can do Biblically to support it (and equally little I can do to attack it), but because it is such an ancient Tradition, because the Church teaches it is valid and because the Church has the authority to teach and is trustworthy, and because so many saints and holy people have lived the life joyfully and fruitfully over the last two-thousand years, and because Christ Himself was celibate, I accept it. If I disagreed with the Church’s teaching on celibate clergy, I certainly would never have put myself nor my dear friend and love through so much heartbreak and I would certainly not have taken a public vow of perpetual chastity at the tender age of 23!
I hope these thoughts help at least to understand where I am coming from and how I understand the issue. God bless you, and thank you for being so patient and civil here!