July 26, 2011

  • Mary, Mary, Quite Controversial (Part I)

    @pinktiger335 asked, “Why they don’t mention the Virgin Mary too much but we have so much faith in her? And a lil about her appearances… like the one she made in Mexico with Juan Diego.

    On a similar topic @DraculVanHelsing asked, “Also maybe a couple of posts on the Marian dogmas of the Catholic Church- the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption as I’m always being asked by my Protestant friends about those 2 doctrines.”

     

    It was when I was a student at the University of Northern Iowa that I was first called a “Marian worshipper,” and ever since then whenever I enter into an apologetics dialogue with another Christian or am “attacked” for being Catholic, the first stone flung against Catholicism is aimed right at poor Mary’s head. So I thought that as I go about offering my thoughts as they relate to your previously-asked questions, I would start with Mary since she tends to be, for some reason, so controversial. My goal is not to convince anyone of anything mind you, but merely to offer my thoughts and, where I can, the teaching of the Church for the benefit of those who did not know anything before and those who want to know a bit more. Oftentimes those same people who charge me with worshiping Mary are surprised when I tell them that, yes, I would be just as angry about someone worshiping Mary as they are because, in fact, Catholics do not worship Mary.

    To go about this I will try and address DraculVanHelsing’s questions as best I can and then talk about Mary’s role in the prayer and devotional life of the Church, followed by some of her better-known appearances at Guadalupe, Lourdes and Fatima in part II.

     

    The New Eve: the Doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary

    It is so fitting that I would at least start writing this post on the Feast of Joachim and Anne, traditionally believed to be the parents of Mary.

    What is the basic idea of this doctrine of the Immaculate Conception? Basically that Mary was conceived without Original Sin. Here’s a synopsis of the teaching straight from the Catechism:

    490: To become the mother of the Savior, Mary “was enriched by God with gifts appropriate to such a role.” The angel Gabriel at the moment of the annunciation salutes her as “full of grace.” In fact, in order for Mary to be able to give the free assent of her faith to the announcement of her vocation, it was necessary that she be wholly borne by God’s grace.

    491: Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, “full of grace” through God, was redeemed from the moment of her conception. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854: 

    “The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.”

    492: The “splendor of an entirely unique holiness” by which Mary is “enriched from the first instant of her conception” comes wholly from Christ: she is “redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son.” The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person “in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places” and chose her “in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love.”

    493: The Fathers of the Eastern tradition call the Mother of God “the All-Holy” (Panagia) and celebrate her as “free from any stain of sin, as though fashioned by the Holy Spirit and formed as a new creature.” By the grace of God Mary remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.

     

    The first charge often thrown at this teaching is that it isn’t found in Scripture and is therefore made up. However, a Scriptural basis for the Trinity is a bit fuzzy as well, so let us not jump the gun!

    We recall that when the archangel Gabriel appears to Mary and speaks to her on God’s behalf, he says, “Hail Mary, full of grace!” So we see right off that this Mary is considerably special, for the angel is not speaking his own message here, but God’s; through the angel, God Himself is saying, “Hail Mary, full of grace!” In the Greek the word for “full of grace” is kecharitomene which literally means “having been blessed” or “having been filled with grace,” implying that the angel is referring to something that has already taken place as opposed to something that is happening in that very same moment or will happen soon. Likewise the Church points out in this first paragraph that in order to give that complete “yes” to God’s will, she would need to be completely and perfectly in the grace of God; would a sinner be able to give the perfect, complete consent needed to conceive the very Word of God not only in her heart and mind, but in her very body?

    Let us continue on with the following general rule: when you are learning about something the Church teaches regarding Mary, realize that everything the Church believes, knows or teaches about Mary comes from what the Church believes, knows or teaches about Jesus Christ.

    Working on this presupposition, then, we can move on to the second paragraph which quotes Pope Pius IX’s proclamation. The importance of Mary’s unfallen nature is because of Christ’s sinlessness; remember that original sin–our fallen human nature–is an inherited condition! Jesus was conceived in Mary’s womb as a single-cell, attached to the wall of her uterus and all that just as you and I did at one time; save for His miraculous conception everything else went as normal. The immaterial God took His flesh, His human nature from Mary; if she was “just a sinner like everyone else” as some Christians contend, then Jesus would inherit that sin from her as well. 

    “Not so fast!” they tell me, “for couldn’t Christ have been conceived immaculately? Why did it have to be her?” True, I suppose He could have conceived Himself immaculately and been born of a sinner without Himself being one, but realize a few things here. First in becoming human God subjected Himself to His own laws, including the commandment to honor one’s father and mother as well as loving another as you love yourself, etc. What better way to honor His mother than to save her from sin the moment she was conceived? After all, God is unique among all that He created His own mother; would not a loving God who was to take on flesh for the redemption of all people not start first with His mother? Notice, too, that the Church does not teach she was conceived free of sin because of anything she did or was about to do; she was saved by Jesus Christ just as we all are save for the fact she was saved in her first moment. Likewise if it is Jesus Christ that saves us from sin, then if He conceived Himself immaculately we would see Him basically saving Himself. Does this seem like something He would do considering He refused obstinately to do so when captured by the officials of Jerusalem and beaten, or when He refused to come down off of the Cross? I think not! But would Jesus save His own mother? I think so, and so have Christians for a very long time! And this is what paragraph three is getting at. 

    Finally in paragraph four the Church holds up the example of our ancient Eastern brethren, stating also that Mary not only began sinless, but ended sinless as well. This only makes sense given what we’ve previously discussed; had she fallen into sin later she would not have been able to give her perfect consent to the will of God at the Annunciation, and who could possibly sin with the Son of God in their very womb, in their home? And remember, too, that she was very much the mother of Christ in every sense of the word “mother;” she nursed Him, clothed Him, burped Him, bathed Him and, yes, taught Him right and wrong. Would you trust a sinner to teach the little Jesus right from wrong? And if you think that little Jesus just knew such things because He is the Son of God so we needn’t worry about it, then why would the Devil bother tempting Jesus in the desert? Just a thought…

     

    Besides all of this we must also remember that Mary’s Immaculate Conception is not all that much an aberration; after all, where not Adam and Eve conceived without original sin? Granted they were crafted by the very hand of God but remember that human beings, truly, were meant to be free of sin period. Mary is simply a human being as human beings were always meant to be; in fact there is an ancient, ancient tradition in which Jesus is seen as the New Adam (hinted at in 1 Cor. 15:45-49). Paired with this tradition is seeing Mary as the New Eve; for example Justin Martyr states around the year 155AD:

    “[Jesus] became man by the Virgin so that the course that was taken by disobedience in the beginning through the agency of the serpent might be also the very course by which it would be put down. Eve, a virgin and undefiled, conceived the word of the serpent and bore disobedience and death. But the Virgin Mary received faith and joy when the angel Gabriel announced to her the glad tidings that the Spirit of the Lord would come upon her and the power of the Most High would overshadow her, for which reason the Holy One being born of her is the Son of God. And she replied, “Be it done unto me according to your word” (Luke 1:38) (Dialogue with Trypho 100).

    Similarly St. Ambrose (a Doctor of the Church no less!) wrote in the fourth century:

    “See how the selfsame knots that were tied in condemnation are now undone, and how the old footprints are trodden again in the work of salvation: Adam was from the virgin earth, Christ from a virgin; Adam was made in the image of God, Christ is the image of God…; folly came from a woman, wisdom from a virgin; from the tree came death, from the Cross came life.”

     

     A Safe Assumption

    From here we can move on to the Doctrine of Mary’s Assumption into Heaven. Again the Catechism offers:

    966 ”Finally the Immaculate Virgin, preserved free from all stain of original sin, when the course of her earthly life was finished, was taken up body and soul into heavenly glory, and exalted by the Lord as Queen over all things, so that she might be the more fully conformed to her Son, the Lord of lords and conqueror of sin and death.”The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin is a singular participation in her Son’s Resurrection and an anticipation of the resurrection of other Christians:

    ‘In giving birth you kept your virginity; in your Dormition you did not leave the world, O Mother of God, but were joined to the source of Life. You conceived the living God and, by your prayers, will deliver our souls from death.’ (From the Byzantine Liturgy)

     

    What we see in this doctrine is the Church’s belief that Mary was taken, body and soul, into heaven without dying (or, as some of the Eastern traditions belief, she simply fell asleep). 

    Again the charge of not-being-in-the-Bible is levied, but we must recall that in Matthew 27:52-53 we read that after Christ was crucified many who were dead came back to life and wandered around Jerusalem (no, not a zombie invasion or anything), and in 2 Kings 2:11 we read that Elijah was caught up, body and soul, into heaven via a fiery chariot. Also it is important to note the link between the end of Revelations 11 and the beginning of 12 in which we read:

    “Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.” Then: “A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child…She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod…”

    It is important to note that the chapter/verse feature of Scripture is a fairly recent convention, the New Testament in particular only really being solidly divided into chapters around the 13th century and divided into verses in the 16th. In the earliest centuries of Christianity–before the Bible was even assembled as we know it today–the Gospels, letters and Revelations of the New Testament were simply pages and pages of text. They were, after all, meant to be read aloud so what did it matter if things were divided into chapters? 

    When we read chapter 11 right into 12 without pause, we read: “Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm. A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was with child…She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod…” Makes sense, doesn’t it? Consider this as well: is not Christ Himself the New Covenant?

    Think back to the Old Covenant and its signs. We remember the Ark that contained a jar of manna, the Ten Commandments and Aaron’s staff. Christ, however, is not merely a sign of the New Covenant but is the Covenant itself and is He not also the new manna, the bread come down from heaven? Is He not the Living Law of God, the Law fulfilled? Is He not the High Priest, the fulfillment of Aaron’s own priesthood? Christ is the fullness of all the signs of the Old Covenant, and what (or who) was the ark, the vessel that contained the signs of the promise? Mary, a pure and living vessel far more precious than gold! In John’s vision was seen Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, praying for her children–all of us–as they were being persecuted by the beast. 

     

    We also, based on our earlier discussion regarding her origin as being sinless can see why early Christians could believe (besides being taught it by those who likely witnessed it) she would be assumed into heaven, for it is by our fallen human nature (“through Adam,” so to speak) that we come to die (1 Cor. 15:21-22, Romans 5:12-12. But if Mary did not inherit a fallen human nature but rather never knew sin period, she would not be subject to death at all. Given the Church’s belief in her Immaculate Conception, her belief also in Mary’s Assumption into heaven follows. Besides, there is no record in history or tradition of her grave, tomb or bones; one would think that if such things ever existed it would be a major site for pilgrimage, one that would rival St. Peter’s in Rome, St. James’ in Spain and others!

     

    In the upcoming part II I will offer thoughts on Mary’s place in the prayer and devotional life of the Church. I hope part I proves helpful for everyone!

Comments (29)

  • As usual, you’ve done a fantastic job.

    I was going to mention some of the things I used to run into regarding typology and Mary being the “New Queen” but in the event that you’re planning to write about that, I don’t want to jump the gun, haha.

    A very cogent piece you’ve written here.

  • @QuantumStorm -  Thanks, Q; I wasn’t going to go into Mary’s queenship at all but if you or anyone else is interested, Scott Hahn does a great job touching on it in his book “Hail, Holy Queen.”

  • Clearly, Mary was Jesus’ first and greatest disciple.

    And that is no disrespect toward Saint Joseph. It’s just that Mary carried Jesus in her womb and suckled him at her breast, something that Joseph could not do.

    Jesus’ subjection to his mother at the temple when he was 12 and at the Cana when he was a grown man illustrate the awesomeness of Mary.

    Jesus began his ministry not of his own will but that of Mary. And Jesus said that he always did the will of the Father.

    That means that Mary purely embodied the will of the Father. And that means that Mary was truly great and as a result, worthy of the veneration that the Church (Christ’s continued presence on earth) bestows upon her.

    If one truly believes in the Bible, how then can one question the greatness of Mother Mary, Queen of Heaven.

  • “Would you trust a sinner to teach the little Jesus right from wrong?” <– yes, a mother whether sinful or not will always do what it best for her children if she has love in her heart. I never thought she was completely sinless actually? She didn’t have more children? After all, she was married wasn’t she? And Joseph never expected consummation because after all in that region and well in parts of the world today women where still known to be property. If he was a sinner how can you placate a man’s need of his wife?

    Well maybe if she did pass and there was persecution after the Jesus’ Resurrection she could have left the area, or kept in hiding and she laid rest somewhere else, I mean weren’t the apostles also prosecuted? … Just as a different possibility.
    Great post… though. Look forward to part 2

  • Interesting that you say that there is not much biblical clarity regarding Mary or the Trinity. Tradition hardly merits much credit as far as I can see, so that leaves those two notions unnecessary to believe for salvation, as they say.

  • @pinktiger335 - We know from the Gospel of John that Mary had no children other than Jesus. For as Jesus hung on the Cross he gave her to Saint John and Saint John to her.

    Theologically, this was Jesus also making Mary, the mother of all mankind.

    We are her children and she is our Mother by the order of Jesus Christ, Son of God.

  • I’d love if you addressed Jesus’ own comments about Mary. Mary doesn’t make all that many appearances in the Gospels, and several times when she does, Jesus seems to downplay her role (as in Mark 3:32-35 or Luke 11:27-28). The Church’s emphasis on the role of Mary always seemed to me to be at odds with his statements, which seem to place her no higher than any who “does the will of my Father.”

  • @pinktiger335 -  I have no doubts at all that a good mother, even one that is a sinner, will always do what she believes or knows to be best for her children. However, this does not save any sinner from teaching–intentionally or not–incorrectly about what is truly good and what is not. I had a good mother, but even I have discovered that there were just some things she did not know or know as well as I wish she had when she taught me about them! But with Mary she would have been quite familiar with the Truth since the very Spirit of Truth had overshadowed her and taken flesh inside her very body!

    As I tried to convey in this post, Christians have believed since ancient times that Mary was completely sinless from conception to assumption (I can try and find some examples of this if you would find it helpful) and that she bore only Jesus and had no other children, and that she and Joseph never consummated their marriage.

    After all, look at it this way: Who is Mary’s Son? Jesus. Who is Jesus’ father? God. Would it be right for Mary to have children by anyone else? This is not to say that God and Mary “had sex” (though there are Christians and others who claim that is what Catholics believe! WE DON’T!) but to say that Mary, truly, belonged to God first and foremost; she was wed, so to speak, to Him. His invitation to her to be the Mother of His Son was a covenant she entered into with her whole being; to consummate her marriage with Joseph would be, in a sense, to commit adultery against God, the rightful Father of her Son. She BELONGED completely to God, though God entrusted her care and safety to Joseph and permitted them to live, by outward appearances, as though they were married. But Joseph knew Who she really, truly belonged to and, being a righteous man, he would never have done anything against that. Yes, he was a sinner, but he was a righteous, holy man; besides, wouldn’t living in the same home as a sinless, perfect spouse of God and the Incarnate Word Himself help you also to be holy and save you from any temptation? I would think so!

  • @Lovegrove -  I think it is important to remember that Scripture is a part of Tradition and emerged from it! Just because it is not in the Bible explicitly does not mean it should be dismissed or isn’t a necessary belief. For example look at the ancient creeds; especially in the Nicean Creed, which outlined the basic beliefs of every true Christian, that shows very strongly the necessity of belief in the Trinity and the Virgin Mary.

    The New Testament itself admits that it does not contain every single thing Jesus said and did (John 20:30, 21:25 for example). Yet He tells His closest followers that He has told them everything (John 15:15). The Apostles who went out preaching the Gospel likely taught things that eventually were not recorded in the Gospel accounts, Acts, the various letters, or Revelations not because they were unimportant but because each part of the New Testament was written for a specific purpose to a specific audience. Why explicitly outline the Trinity, Eucharist or various teachings regarding Mary if they were not difficulties for the people who were being written to? Or why would you start there if your chief concern was to first help the Galatians to know and love Christ, for example?

    If we put God in a Bible-shaped box and ignore His work through Sacred Tradition, we miss out on many very important things; after all, the Gospels were not written until decades, at least, after Christ’s death. If the Bible is so absolutely crucial, so non-negotiable and nothing else is needed but the Bible alone, what did the early Church subsist on during its first century or two before these things were written, after the apostles were dead, before the Bible as we know it was brought together as a whole?

    “For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you…” (1 Cor. 11:23)

  • I see what you’re saying about your mother but just because Mary received that Holy spirit how would that make her know enough to teach Jesus? I know she’s blessed but it doesn’t make sense to assume, after she was still human like the rest of us, and I believe in her, She is the mother but if Jesus is son of God, like our mothers who do not completely know enough to teach us about everything we would like to know, even to this day in age, as a first time mom you gain experience, I’m sure Jesus would have been well above the knowledge she could have taught him too.

    “Would it be right for Mary to have children by anyone else? This is not to say that God and Mary “had sex” (though there are Christians and others who claim that is what Catholics believe! WE DON’T!)” <—yes it would be right, it would make her a person of love. But, I see what you’re saying. So, in saying she was practically a nun by belonging to the lord with the exception she is the mother of the savior?

    I know what you’re saying. It just doesn’t make sense with the times. But, I guess we have to trust that since we would never know. I see why they would cover appearances it’s just a little hard to understand. And I’m not trying to put down the religion or anything I’m just trying to make sense of it. It made more sense before and now it just seems like too much… I’m trying to get a grasp maybe you can get me some scriptures.

  • @OutOfTheAshes - 

    “Mary doesn’t make all that many appearances in the Gospels, and several times when she does, Jesus seems to downplay her role…” — outoftheashes. You’re right, she says little, but then the Father doesn’t say so much either. Mary is still Queen of Heaven. Jesus has entered his public ministry — this requires a break with family. Jesus doesn’t downplay Mary’s role (think of the foot of the Cross), but He has many followers to teach. Jesus is also harsh with Peter, and Peter became the first Pope.

  • @pinktiger335 -  Well, the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Wisdom, yes? And one of the main points of this whole post is to show that Mary was not human like the rest of us; don’t forget that we are “fallen;” we are not as we should be, as we were meant to be, as Christ will raise us up to be once again. He raised His mother up to the fullness of her humanity; while she was certainly a human being, she was not like us in that she was free from sin completely.

    I’m sure she did not enter into motherhood automatically knowing everything; she did, as any mother, learn from experience. But she was perfectly guided by the Holy Spirit in anything; there was no sin in her that would have made Him “hard to hear” as we often find in our own lives! Be careful, too, not to see Mary as being “better” than us; rather look to her as the promise of what you will be like one day, when Christ’s work in you is complete!

    As to your second part yes, I suppose you could see Mary as being like a nun today; totally, completely dedicated to God and belonging to Him, yet shared with the world, except that she became the virginal mother of the Savior and that, unlike nuns today, she was entrusted to the care of Joseph who protected her and provided for her as any good husband would, and I’m sure he loved her very deeply (who wouldn’t?!) but ultimately he knew that he was not her true spouse (Matthew 1:20).

    No, this does not make sense with the times, but that does not mean that it cannot be true! But we can trust it since our belief has been held for many centuries and has proven reliable against every attack held against it. I’m glad you can see the importance of Mary and Joseph still living together, not only so people didn’t later come to think Jesus was just some nice kid born out of wedlock (goodness that would have been a scandal!) but also, as one ancient writer noted, it was a way of keeping the Christ-child a secret from the Evil One and those who would seek His life when He was most vulnerable. If He was hidden in plain sight, in the womb of a lowly virgin girl from the middle of nowhere and then growing up in the home of that same virgin and a poor carpenter, not even the Devil would suspect it!

    I also don’t see you trying to put down religion; I am in fact so HAPPY that you are trying to understand these things. So many people either take them for granted or dismiss them entirely; you on the other hand are responding to a beautiful grace. It may have made sense before you knew more about the full truth of the matter; I certainly never thought of the importance of Mary being Immaculately Conceived or being a virgin her whole life either! And it took me time to wrestle with it and understand it but now that I do (a little, at least!) I find that not only to I love her more but, more importantly, I love her SON all the better. And that is the absolute most important thing.

    For Scripture I would invite you to spend time reading and praying with Luke 1:26-56. This reveals to us so much about Mary, so much more than what is simply seen at first-glance in these readings.

    If you are able and Mary is a topic of interest to you there is a very good and very easy to read book called “Hail, Holy Queen” by Scott Hahn that goes through the whole Bible and what it teaches us about Mary. You can find it on Amazon for only a few dollars!

    Thank you so so so much for trying to understand; don’t take your faith for granted! God WANTS you to know Him!

  • @Ancient_Scribe - 

    “I think it is important to remember that Scripture is a part of Tradition and emerged from it!”

    Now that is an interesting way to put it and it would seem, a fact. I’ll add it as a post to stir the waters of debate between the Orange and the Green.

  • Who painted that picture of Mary? I like it !
    don’t forget the apparition of Mary at Las Lajas in Colombia and the miraculous picture left IN the rocks…the basilica is built hanging over the gorge so that the back of the cathedral is up against the rocks where the picture is. I’ve got it on my photo page…check it out !
    and ty.

  • Between Jesus and Mary – if you look VERY closely – in the scripture you see a dynamic and powerful relationship emerge.
    First, Jesus uses parables that are derived from Mary, things only a woman would teach her son. The pot being clean on the inside is more important than the pot being clean on the outside shows the importance of being authentic with God, and not hypocritical. The leaven in the bread parable shows how God’s kingdom spreads through human contact, gradually. Again it is a womanly image, learned in the kitchen. Jesus also portrayed Mary in his parable of the old woman demanding justice from the unjust judge, and getting it. I think that refers to Mary very especially, how she importunes God with her prayers, and gets her way! Which is EXACTLY what she did with Jesus at the Wedding of Cana…it’s time for your first public miracle Son.

  • @Lovegrove -  After all, the Gospels and many of the letters were written well after Christ’s death, likely recorded after having been handed down by oral tradition for decades first. The New Testament as we know it today wasn’t put together until a couple hundred years after Christ’s death; before then each community had its own collection of Gospels, letters and the like. This is not to say that Scripture takes a back seat to Tradition, but more so to say that you cannot have one without the other! It has indeed been a pot-stirrer for the last few centuries!

  • @mortimerZilch -  I have no idea who painted this picture of Mary, but I love it too! I have also heard of Las Lajas and I LOVE the shrine they built there; looking at pictures of it reminds me of something out of the Lord of the Rings.

    Thank you for your second comment, too. I never before considered Mary as a source for Jesus’ extensive knowledge of parables but it makes a lot of sense to me! I will mention it to some of the fathers here; I’m sure it will provoke a lot of thought, and one can hardly go wrong contemplating Jesus and Mary!

  • @Ancient_Scribe -  Good, I like a pot well stirred. It reduces the chances of stagnation.

  • @Lovegrove -  And you won’t burn the bottom!

  • @Ancient_Scribe - 
    Thank you for the response. It’s really a lot to take in. I will look to reading the book. thanks. =D

  • I am just clarifying from reading all the comments…

    Didn’t Jesus have other siblings as Mark 3:31-32 points out? Maybe I am just misreading and misunderstanding some of the comments.

    Thank you for sharing about Mary and where the Catholic beliefs come from regarding her. It has been interesting to learn about. I have Catholic friend who went to Baylor (Baptist college) with me and he explained this very much the way you did to me. It was nice to have a refresher, since I am not Catholic.

  • @kamrandolph -  I’m surprised it took so long for this question to come up!

    Scholars in the Church have shared their observations of this and similar passages and remind us that the language Jesus spoke (remember, the Gospels were written in Greek!) the word “brother” was used not only for your siblings, but also for your nephews, nieces, cousins, half-brothers, and half-sisters! Greek on the other hand has a word, “adelphos” which *only* means “brother.” So in the passage you mentions, this is the word used by the original writer who chose Greek as his language, a language not spoken by Christ.

    For example, many translations of Genesis 14:16 refer to Lot as the brother of Abram, though we know by Genesis 11:27 that Lot was actually the son of Abram’s brother, Haran, thus his nephew and not really his brother.

    The controversy of your quoted verse as it relates to whether or not Mary had other children besides Jesus really didn’t take off until the Reformation. Before then this verse was understood, in accordance with the Church’s belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity, to be referring either to close relatives of Jesus (though not siblings) or there is even an ancient tradition that Joseph was a widower and had children from his first marriage!

    I hope this has proven helpful or at least interesting!

  • @Ancient Scribe –
    For some reason the reply button doesn’t like me tonight…. oh well…

    Thank you! It is interesting to me always to learn more about the Bible and a variety of interpretations. I love learning church history, whether my own denomination or another one. I will have to look into that passage some more for myself, I don’t debate scriptures a lot, but love learning about them. To me the central thing that matters: Do you love Jesus and have you allowed him to be your Savior? I know many many Catholics, Baptist, Methodist,… well you get the idea that do this and others that don’t. Thank you for being kind enough to answer my questions. I very much appreciate it.

  • This is great. Thanks for all the work that went into the series.

  • Sorry, I didn’t bother to read the comments so I would not know if my thoughts were addressed previously, but here it is: The argument that Mary ascended to heaven body and soul is still a big question mark. It is weak to assume that just because respected members of the church were raised at the time of Christ’s death, that Mary’s ascension becomes possible. Nor would Elijah’s ascension support Mary’s ascension. Its all possibilities with no certainties, so, the Catholic church cannot use it as a valid argument to this assumption of Mary’s ascension.

    Still, I am happy for this article you wrote, Father, and is grateful for the wonderful insights. I will be reading the rest of it in the coming days.

    Tribo

  • @tribong_upos -  The Catholic Church doesn’t use these observations that I’ve provided as valid arguments for Mary’s Assumption into Heaven; I’ve offered them as support for what Christians have believed and passed on, generation to generation, for nearly the whole history of the religion.

    One historical observation that has been made is the fact there there is nowhere, nor has there been throughout Christian history, that claims to have the remains or relics of Mary. You can see first-hand the veneration of the remains of St. Peter by looking at the enormous basilica of St. Peter’s in Rome, or St. Paul at St. Paul Outside the Walls. Likewise St. James at the famous pilgrimage site in Spain and other saints throughout the world where we have the remains of a saint and thousands flock there every year and have for centuries. Would not the remains of Mary not only have led to the greatest and most beautiful basilica ever built by man, but likewise would be a site of pilgrimage and prayer since the very day of her death? Just look at what has come of places like Fatima, Lourdes and Mexico City in the wake of places she is said to have appeared!

    What has helped me better grasp the Church’s teaching on Mary’s Assumption is that considering Jesus Christ ascended entirely to Heaven–complete in His Body–would not He also draw His mother to heaven, body and soul, as well, since it was from her that He came to have a body in the first place? And given the belief and teaching that Mary was conceived free of sin and remained sinless through her whole life, why would she be subject to death like we are?

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