September 24, 2007

  • A First Attempt

    VS.

                     LECTIO DIVINA                                             SOLA SCRIPTURA

    There were two votes for the question regarding the difference between sola scriptura and lectio divina. The first is Latin for “Scripture alone” and the latter is “sacred reading.” SS (now representing sola scriptura) is a theological principle that, as I understand it, teaches that tradition and teachings are not as important as scripture, that with the Bible a person can have all they need to know to develop their own, personal faith and theology (I’m completely open to enlightenment in this!). The problem I forsee is that any church teaching this could potentially suffer a great fracturing amidst its own body of believers. For example, both Calvin and Luther believed in SS. If both were correct, why didn’t they develop the same church and theology? Because with SS, each person is able to come to their own opinion, understanding and belief; complete unity is not possible because few people interpret things the same way.

    Lectio divina (LD; surprise!), is not a theology, but a methodology; it is a way of prayer. Those who practice LD use the scripture to pray, taking perhaps a small piece of text, maybe only a single word and really meditating on it, praying with it, to try and come to a deeper knowledge and understanding of what it is that God is trying to communicate to them through His written Word. The reason this is different from SS is because this is not about seeking a belief or theology, this is not reading the Bible to better defend/support your own theology. LD is about seeking the truth and opening oneself to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, using scripture as a gateway into the deeper knowledge and truth of what God is trying to tell you.

    I am not trying to say that SS followers are wrong and LD practitioners are correct; both ways have their graces. But I can’t help wondering what SS followers have to say about certain lines of sciptura, especially some of what Paul has to say. When I use LD on passages like the following, I feel that Christ (and subsequently, Paul), is expressing the desire for one church, entrusted to Peter and founded upon him. I can see, though, how someone following SS can see otherwise. Here are a few samples of biblical text I think SS and LD people vary a great deal on:

    1 Cor: 10-13, 17 (NRSV)

    “Now I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you be in agreement and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same purpose. For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there are quarrels among you, my brothers and sisters. What I mean is that each of you says, “I belong to Paul,” or “I belong to Apollos,” or “I belong to Cephas,” or “I belong to Christ.” Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucifed for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?… For Christ did not send me to baptize but to proclaim the gospel, and not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ might not be emptied of its power.”

    (About tradition)

    1 Cor: 23-29

    “For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took a loaf of bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgement against themselves.”

     (This is the last one, I promise!)

    Matthew 16:18-19

    “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gate of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

    Being Catholic, I believe what my Church has always believed; that Christ desired one church, the one he entrusted to the care of Peter. I believe that the authority exercised by the Pope is the same authority that Christ gave to Peter, and Peter entrusted that authority to his successor, and so on until it was passed on from John Paul II to Benedict XVI.

    Not being anything other than Catholic, I have no idea how other people interpret these passages. I quoted these from the closest Bible I could find to one used by many Protestants, just to try and be as unbiased as I can. What do my good fellow Christians out there think about these passages, and others that you might know of? I am here to learn as much as you are! I also hope that this blog helped answer the whole SS and LD question. I’ll try to get to other questions as I can!

Comments (14)

  • Yes, that was very helpful; well-described. 

  • Coming from the S.S. mindset, I’d say your description is dead-on. One of the largest problems facing Lutherans is our different interpretations of the Scripture. I mean, we all don’t see eye to eye on key issues facing our church, mainly the interpretation of the Bible when it comes to the issue of homosexuality. But, while I agree with your dictation of Peter calling for one church in 1 Cor., I see that not as a call for a centralized faith under a single church, but a call for unity in all churches behind their beliefs. We all worship the same Holy Trinity, but we Protestants do it with less of the regulations Catholics have in their worship. I’m not saying anyone is wrong. We all have benefits and differences in our faith. Lutherans go less with what the church has to say on key issues and follow their congregations or their own hearts on the issues. From what I understand, Catholics follow the edict of the Pope, a single person who you point out has the same relationship with God as Peter did. One person is behind the choices in the Catholic faith (from what you are saying), whereas the congregations of Lutherans (and some protestants) have to come together to decide their stance on major issues and interpretations of the Bible. It’s not one man who makes that decision, no matter how enlightened or educated he is, but members of the whole church. Again, not pointing out who is better or worse, just enlightening you on some of the differences I know about and looking forward to any corrections.
    I think the passages you cited were not ones we would have a key misunderstanding on. The second are the words of the Eucharist, which is common in all of our beliefs. We believe it is a sacrament, same as you, but with less weight than the Catholics hold it to. I hold that the first passage identifies with stating I’m a Christian first and foremost and united in the beliefs of God, J.C., and the Holy Spirit and the words of the Apostles and Nicene Creed. I think the different churches in that passage aren’t those of protestant beliefs, but of completely other beliefs. After all, Protestants still believe in several of the key facets of Christianity, but other religions have different views on deities. Not saying any one religion is better than another, either. Looking at the time the passages were written, it would be akin to them following one narrow interpretation of one saint or book of the Bible instead of the whole work, like we practition now.
    That’s my interpretation as a Protestant on some of the above statements. I appreciate the enlightenment on some issues above about some differences of the church and I still love you even if you are a Catholic. After all, we believe in the same man pstairs. We just see his work in different ways.
    Hope you have a great week!

  • RYC: Thanks.    And yeah, drunk contortionists are the worst kind.  I’m determined to call the health center today.

  • RYC: I guess my main difference in that deference is I beleive there are several different churches that have branched off of the Catholic church who still follow the word of God via the Bible. In my opinion not being from one denomination or another should not condemn you to everlasting life. If we’re all to be viewed as one church as you point out under God, why should Protestants and others who believe and follow the Word of God be cut off from salvation, just because they don’t belong to the Catholic church. We’re all Christians, after all, and we all fall short of the grace of God because we’re born into sin. MAybe I’m splitting straws where I don’t mean to be, either.
    Sorry for my falling into misconceptions of the Catholic Church and it’s leadership and thank you for clarifying. I’ve just always never understood the power of the Pope in your church, because the selection process is different than what we do in or church. In the Lutheran church we elect our bishops to serve.
    And yes, we Lutherans have to answer our church, was doled out by Martin Luther. I get your point that unlike the Catholics, who have been around for over 2,000 years, we Lutherans are the first to have to answer to some single person forming our church, but I beleive we still follow that Jesus is who we follow. Yes, Martin Luther might have started our church, but we still worship the same God and follow the same texts. Maybe we don’t know our Saints as well as the Catholics do, though. .

  • What illness did St. Gemma have?  Was it polio? 

    Actually, that had crossed my mind slightly…  I don’t think it’d be a problem in its current state, but if this back thing got worse, would some orders not take me?  I guess I could always just take vows to consecrated life, as St. Gemma did.  Anyway, I finally slept through the whole night last night, so that’s refreshing.

    Could you imagine me in a white habit like that, pouring over books?    That’s a lovely picture you have there.

  • Love the picture of the nun.  & thanks for answering my question.  You picked the quotations that protestants seem to fight over the most – unified in faith versus unified in one Church; Eucharist versus bread and wine, etc.  You pretty much cleared it up – wasn’t sure if you were going to understand what I had asked. :-p

  • Interesting how our discernments are (at least, right now) very different from each other.  For the most part, you had two relatively clear choices to discern from.  I’m just here, conceptually out in the middle of nowhere.  It’s very humbling, having absolutely no idea what I’m doing. 

  • RYC: No, no not at all! I’d say Living_Embers sums up the argument protestans have, though. Being united in faith as opposed to unified in One Church. I think as a protestant I hate allying myself to one Church but rather my individual faith. To me, faith is very personal. We all have it to some degree, some stronger than others. I have a hard time viewing myself as an example in faith to others because I know fall far from grace in certain areas. I’m lazy. I don’t tithe to my church (I give to charitable organizations with a good cause, though, including schools and fundraisers). I view movies that sometimes I wouldn’t want J.C. to watch with me. 
    In other ways, I have lived a life to be proud of. I put my friends first. I rarely imbibe. I teach Sunday School with examples from my own life and the guidelines. I’m active in my church, teaching choir, playing on the softball field, hosting events for social groups, and warming a pew on Sunday mornings, but that isn’t all my faith is.
    It’s personal reflection on what I could do better. It’s questions that sometimes go unanswered to the man upstairs. It’s reading a lesson with a fresh set of eyes. It’s making a moral decision with certain views that might be controversial to others, but knowing it’s the right thing to do. My faith tells me that gay marriage will not ruin the institution of marriage. For the most part, celebrities and divorces have already done that. I feel that if you love someone the way many of these committed couples do, who is right to stand in their way? I’ve mentioned before that I feel the Bible needs to be a living rule for us to follow, not a book made 1,000′s of years ago that we follow, edict by edict. I believe this is one of the issues that divides a lot of churches now, too. It isn’t an issue you throw quotes from the Bible at. God wants us to love one another, to be willign to accept new ideas into our lives. That means accepting those different than us and not labelling them afflicted with disease or someone who needs to be cured. We all are afflicted by sin and God is that cure for all of us.
    Faith is what leads us to redemption, not an individual Church or organization. If that’s a difference with the Catholic faith, I’m sorry. It’s my personal belief, though.
    Geeking out a little bit now: Rumors from the Dark Kinght have me just salivating for the next chapter. A darker version of the Joker. An actually good representation of Two-Face. Replacing Katie Holmes with Maggie Gyllenhaal. Man, Christopher Nolan is just what the franchise needed to get back off the ground. Hope you have a great week!

  • HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! I called the novitiate and left a message. I hope it was the right number  LOVE YOU!

  • Actually, no, I didn’t know that…  Somehow I guess I’ve not come across it!  Hmm…  Anyway, he apparently was kind of a snotty kid when he was younger, then in his teenage years, despite more rebelliousness, he would have these stints of remorse and spend hours praying before the Eucharist.  Strong calling, right there!

  • While I never knew there existed two ideas of sola scriptura and lectio divina, I very much appreciate your defining of the differences.  And…I hate to be a pain, but is there any way you could perhaps explain it a bit more?  Or maybe direct me to some place that can.  Never having heard of either one, I somewhat understand but could use a bit further explanation.

    Also Matthew 16:18-19 is one of my favorite bible passages.  It’s where we began and I love that I can just point it out for any proof that Catholicism was the beginning of Christianity, or rather was Christ’s request to Peter.

    Thanks, again!

  • I was just pointing out my flaws there where I fall short of grace. I’m a fan of film and its incarnations as art, but some of the films I’ve watched had made me question there religious value, if any. I can see the humor and artistic value in them from the secular point of view, but I’m lost as to what redeeming qualities they have. I liked the American Pie series (before they went to Direct to video), but if you ask me to name a redeeming quality to the films I can’t. But yes, I did reason that even if I don’t want to admit it, that Jesus has been with me with each film I’ve watched. Have a great week!

  • “Hooray! Now I don’t have to listen to you complain any more!!!”

    Ouch, man.  Ouch. 

    Did reconciliation today.  Wow. 

  • I think that Corinthians passage calls to my mind the injunction against receiving Communion in a state of mortal sin.

    I don’t know if I’d have the discipline to do either LD or SS. They are both profound meditations.

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